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Chris Bachelder Talks with Lydia Davis

Here’s an entry from the Juniper Writers Institute at the University of Massachusetts in Amherst, MA. Alma Mater to many legendary scholars and thinkers, the greatest of whom being Doctor Marcus Camby. That boy can play, has played, ball. He a baller. He a Rhodes Baller.

I’m here and I feel out of place, which is not surprising: I feel out of place in most places. At this point, I’m like Crash Davis, without the minor league homerun record.

People are good. I don’t like people, but recognize that people are good and useful. When I decided to speak to people here, I found them genuinely good. Here’s the thing about conferences at this point: People here are either 90 or they’re 24. Or there’s a youth writing conference here, in which case the participants are teenagers.

Lydia Davis is one of these good people, and she visited campus to give a reading and an informal talk about writing, etc. Her ‘interviewer’ was Chris Bachelder. He wasn’t really an interviewer, though, and I appreciated that. He got the hell out of the way and let Lydia meander through her genius unfettered, as opposed to me, who is very much the hell in the way of this entry. I am fettering the progression of this entry.

Lydia knows me from her generosity. She and Amy Hempel came to Pittsfield, Massachusetts (50 miles from where I am now) and did a benefit reading for my educational nonprofit, Word Street. There was dinner afterward with Lydia and Amy, and I have chosen not to write about it because I loved the moment and want it to be mine for as long as possible.

I’m not ready to write about it yet.

Before what was to be an interview before a live audience, I watched Lydia talk some with Chris, most likely doing some last minute preparation for what was to come. Lydia saw me and waved quite vigorously. I know the reason for this was that she knows how oddly uncomfortable I am in most situations and especially in light of the debacle at the Brix Wine Bar.

My wife and I had our annual date night a few months ago, and we decided to pretend to be refined palates and sniff some wine corks at Brix. It was three or four days, maybe a week, before the big reading I organized, featuring Davis and Hempel, and the maitre d’ seated us just about on top of Lydia Davis and her husband, the artist Alan Cote. I knew Lydia from a master class in fiction I took with her at UAlbany, but that was a long time ago, at least a year, so when I sat down next to her, I didn’t think it was appropriate to say hello, thought I’d be imposing on a meal I shouldn’t have been a part of in the first place. Yes, I have issues. I’m in the process of getting help.

So I never said hello to her, and to make matters worse, since I thought she may have noticed me and wondered why I didn’t say hello, I emailed her to tell her what I did, that I was sorry. She emailed back and recounted the entire evening, from the things we ordered to the awkward conversation with the waiter. She thought the whole thing was humorous and put me at ease once and for all.

So when she waved vigorously to me two days ago, I think she knew what she was doing.

Like I said, she’s one of the good people.

Without further delay, here are my disjointed notes on Lydia Davis’ interview with Chris Bachelder:

Lydia read the dictionary in 1971, it was a collegiate dictionary, maybe a Merriam Webster. She still references a worn copy of the dictionary constantly – not for shedding light on a general meaning of a word, but to find the precise meaning of a word. She also regards etymology as essential.

The best writing instruction she ever absorbed was not from writing teachers, but from one or two writerly friends who would read her work microscopically close.

It takes a long time to become individual as a writer. I’m assuming she’s talking about voice and style.

Constraints in writing are often more useful than freedom.

Interesting exercises: using the thesaurus to change words — consequently rhythm; diction, obviously. There are no synonyms, after all, because words aren’t the same, each is more or less precise.

Ideology doesn’t drive her work. Davis is receptive to external elements and, usually, her ideology appears beneath or within (these are partly my paraphrasings, by the way) another intention.

If Davis is stuck on a particular day (which is a rarity), she assigns herself small writing tasks: each day this week, I will write a two-paragraph story. In forcing yourself to stay in the chair no matter what, the result is a brutal truth.

Look to models in published writing for solutions to writing problems.

Lydia Davis writes in order for the words to disappear. The precision of her diction and simplicity of the language directs the reader, ideally, away from the writing.

My own thought toward the end of the interview: If a woman is sitting in front of me and her cascading blonde hair falls all over my bare knees, isn’t she in my space? Should I allow this?

Key Part Threy

That afternoon I met her at the studio. Her hands were on her hips and she had a look that said, “You little rascal. So forgetful and careless in your varied and packed schedule. This is just like you. I bet you’re giving wrong keys all over the place.” She had the  condescending smile, the head titled slightly; the only thing she was missing was the wagging finger, which I could have put in here because what do you know about this person, anyway?

All I could do was hate her. I didn’t make a habit out of carrying eight pounds of keys everywhere I went like I was some janitor or building superintendent. I have six keys on my ring; there was no way I gave her the wrong key. In fact I remember thinking I should not make a mistake and give this lunatic my house key, because she’d use it, just as a joke. She’s the kind of person who’d use it to make a point. She’d come crawling up the driveway in her rusty maroon two-door, dog hair covering the seats like fur. She’d knock, then put the key in and, surprisingly, open it smoothly on the first try, my wife and I stunned and frightened in our living room. She’ll open the door in a way that tells me she had planned it all along, that she might have even practiced a few times before pulling off what she thought was a hilarious and memorable gag on me.

“Give me the key,” I said to her. There are only two locks on the door: a deadbolt and the one on the doorknob. The deadbolt wasn’t engaged, wasn’t in place, didn’t breach the matching hole in the door frame. The deadbolt didn’t work. The key was meant for the doorknob lock, which made things even more mystifying. I put the key in the lock, turned it, with nary a jiggle, and opened the door.

She looked at me as if I had a trick key, hidden for this occasion.

The Quarry in Richmond

I may have falsely made the reader believe that my days consisted of nothing but dropping the kids at school and daycare, then arriving at the studio with the intention of working every day. The truth is that I have a job — that the studio is a luxury of sorts, and I can access the studio to work any day at any time, provided that my schedule is free of my job and familial obligations. I do not babysit our children because I am the father of these children. Any time I spend with them, no matter how monotonous it is, no matter how much it feels like a sentence, I am not the babysitter.

When you have such obligations, the days march behind one another, and unless you’re close, and your eyes haven’t crossed, vision hasn’t blurred, from lack of sleep, there’s no way to read the name tag to know what day it is.

Now, was that metaphor too drawn out? My idea was to make the days like soldiers marching for some reason, and soldiers have name tags, I think, and so I made the analogy hoping that the reader would understand the connection. Looking at the sentence now, I see that length isn’t a problem. If the metaphor is clear, the sentence length shouldn’t throw the reader off too much. I’m wondering, though, if the phrase “name tag” is a problem. Can the reader successfully make the connection between the days and soldiers without this pretentious metafictional explanation?

A few days pass in this fashion, and when my phone vibrated in my pocket, I wasn’t thinking about how many days had passed since I had given her the keys. In fact, I must have forgotten about the keys completely, as I never even recognized the number on the phone as hers.

“I need you to come down here…”

“I’m busy right now…in the middle of something. What’s wrong?”

“The keys don’t work.”

She was upset, which was a little surprising. They were keys, after all, and my thoughts could have floated toward one of two ways. They showed themselves like a multiple-choice answer in front of my eyes. Is she

a) a lunatic? or

b) severely disappointed by her inability to access the studio?

I didn’t make a choice, but instead thought about how well I must have sold her on the beauty and functionality of the studio, for her to think she could call me at work for this problem. I had been difficult for me to get many people excited about anything I had to offer.

“I went at five this morning,” she said. “I felt like an idiot.”

There was embarrassment too, apparently. I hadn’t accounted for the possible humiliation, although it sounds a little heavy-handed, of standing there for what she thought was a long time, trying to get the door open. There was also the fact that she must have planned this way ahead of time — that it became something that got her excited about her life at that particular moment. Plenty of people awaken at 5 A.M., but who arrives anywhere at 5 A.M.? This studio meant something to her.

Faces. Maybe the distinguishing characteristic of each solider and, in turn, each day, is in the physiognomy. Unless you are perceptive enough to recognize that which strays from the patterns of daily life — unless you get close enough to see the wrinkles in the faces — the days will pass by in a nondescript blur.

No Mean Snow

Later, I suppose I had to admit that I got a bit of joy from it, this mystery of the keys. She would never know, as she left town soon after, in what was either a disappearance or just a bit of irony. Who can say? The point is that she’s gone.

She didn’t approach me about the keys. I offered them to her. I’m not sure why I offered both keys, because only one of them worked, and now that I think of it, how sinister it could have looked considering neither worked for her. In fact, I have this helpless feeling now that I can’t explain myself to her.

I had an extra set and they accessed a studio I had been given the use of, free of charge. Overcome with good-fortune and the enthusiasm of having such a place, I hardly use it at all. I would arrive soon after dropping the kids at school, put on a pot of coffee, and rub my hands together like I was actually going to get down to business and work.

Ever since I’d begun taking the medication, though, I haven’t had any idea what work is, actually. There’s no putting my finger on — wrapping my mind around, as it were — what, exactly, I was supposed to do while at the free studio.

The coffee takes five or six minutes to get ready, so that time could have been devoted, nearly entirely, to mapping out a plan of attack — a veritable blueprint for action. The space was conducive to this, too. There were white boards and cork board walls and enough paper to lay everything out neatly, pin plans to the walls, but just like always I’m perpetually getting ready to get ready.

There were things to turn on and repair, candles to light, perhaps if, at that particular moment, I craved a candle — or a scent — because candles aren’t right for every moment.

I offered the keys because I could, and it was a great place just to be. I made the joke that the bathrooms were “industrial looking” but that they were clean, although I never knew how clean they were. I had some knowledge that the bathrooms were clean at one time, that someone took an afternoon to scrub things. I remember there was a fresh coat of paint at some point. But when I told her things were clean, I had no real idea. Maybe I thought I’d clean it another time, before she had a chance to use the place. I handed her the keys on a day she visited the studio, so I knew she wouldn’t have to use the keys until, at least, the next day.

Tonight Might Call for Six to Twelve Inches

My wife and I have three children, so going out on dates doesn’t happen more than twice a year at the most. Last month I bought tickets for us to see a great band called Medeski, Martin, and Wood in Northampton, Massachusetts. The first time I got tickets to see them, two or so years ago, there was a bad snowstorm, so my wife and I decided not to make the trip to the venue in North Adams and, instead, have an appetizer and a beer in a local restaurant. This time, we got another bad snowstorm, which provided for a bit of irony and an excellent conversation trigger for my wife and me. I mean, what luck! Who knew what we would have talked about otherwise?

One thing we tried to talk about was why Medeski, Martin, and Wood’s set list sounded like a garage band rehearsal. Jen hated it, was nodding off at intervals during the first hour, while we inhaled the gratuitous pot smoke floating all around us, but she didn’t really understand what they were all about. MMW form their songs by playing three seemingly disparate trains of thought until they start to make sense with each other. It sometimes takes them several minutes to come together as a trio, but it’s brilliant because you get to witness the creative process as it develops from literal notetaking to something polished. Or maybe it never ends up being completely polished, but that shit’s for the recordings they do. The worst song they have is their most popular one, the one they did for Grey’s Anatomy.

They’re inspirational, because all writing should be done this way. I suspect the best ones do it, too. Teachers, professors, writing advice echoists (these people, you know them, who repeat writing advice from Bird by Bird or some other best-selling manual for people who will never really write anything, and seem to take credit for it, like they’re some kind of brilliant writing sage, god, shut up already. To write poetry, one would say, you just open a vein. God, jesus, that makes me so sick) say that you throw a bunch of crap onto the wall and see what sticks. It doesn’t really happen that way. That suggests you pause and see what slides off, when the creative process better resembles more of a participatory element. Throwing things to the wall to see what sticks seems to be a lot of posturing instead of real work. MMW were doing real work on that stage, and how much more difficult must it be to try and create something cohesive with two other people? I had a friend as a teenager, Tim Garb, who liked to collaborate with me on poetry while we sat at Package Pick-up at Sears during our night shifts. Whenever we worked together, I had to do all the heavy lifting because Tim had (has) scoliosis, had a bar inserted in his back. Later he would work as a barback at the Shark Club in Las Vegas, thus coming full circle with his identity.

Anyway, Tim and I would write the worst crap you could imagine, and it was mostly because we sucked. It was partially due, though, to the fact that it is so difficult to create something with other people. If I may be a writing advice echoist here: Writing is a solitary art.

Jen and I are going out tonight. No band, no artistic discussion. Yes beer, yes appetizers, yes talk about kids, yes in love with her.

Sic

Anything that has been “bathing my brain tissue” over the past four years can’t be great for me. The idea of anything bathing, or washing over, my brain matter is somewhat of a sensation, but it depends on the chemical. The current chemicals in there aren’t working. In the morning I swallow the pills with orange juice, they fall into my stomach, and start to dissipate into the digestive juices. When they get into my intestines, the bili — I think they’re called bili, let me look it up…

…villi, they’re called villi, the absorbent hair-like things in the intestine that pick up the nutrients or other that get incorporated into the blood stream. So the chemicals are absorbed into my bloodstream and begin the journey to my brain, where they will promptly bathe the brain tissue.

My grammar was corrected yesterday while I was doing my daily Jim Gaffigan replays. I told people that I was “moving kinda slow today because I had a Hot Pocket for breakfast.” A colleague said, “You’re moving kinda WHAT?”

I said, “Slow.”

She repeated, “You’re moving kinda WHAT?”

Again, I said, “Slow.”

I didn’t want to play, but I did anyway. Jim Gaffigan doesn’t say slowly, so neither do I.

When Eddie Vedder took the place of Jim Morrison during The Doors induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and he sang the songs, he corrected all of Jim Morrison’s lousy grammar. He ruined the songs.

If anyone wants a grammar lesson, let me know. I can make you feel dumb if I want to. But if you want to hear some funny, funny shit, sit back and enjoy it and don’t correct my grammar. It’s not the point. I mean, if my mother and father showed up and started talking to you, you’d know they didn’t go to college or pay particular attention to the old hag in the front of the room while she diagrammed sentences for the class. They sacrificed all of this so I could learn it and do all of their grammar for them.

So here come my parents. And there you are, judging them because they don’t speak so good. And here I come, waiting to make you feel as dumb as you are, if precise grammar is your thing.

Earl Grey Tea Tastes Like I’m Kissing My Aunt Mildred’s Wet, Rouged Cheek

My son is six and draws and writes every day. He’s getting better each hour, it seems, and it’s a lesson to me that a writer must write often, not necessarily every day, but often. The great Francois Camoin told me that the mind needs time to accumulate experience. So I’m thinking to write every day might be equal to dry-heaving, at intervals. Camoin (pronounced cam WAH) is the best writer you’ll never read.

I’m Not Going to Miss You

I’m always writing, even when I haven’t a pen in hand or a keyboard in front of me. I forgot who said it, maybe Mark Twain, Thomas Jefferson…somebody…said something like, “My wife doesn’t understand that even when I’m staring out the window, I’m working…”

My wife thinks this is all bullshit, of course. Who wouldn’t?

So I was writing when I went to my local Starbucks, recently. The barista on duty was a 40something with a British accent. She said to me, “I’m leaving to go back to California tomorrow. Will you miss me?”

I thought about it for a second, tired of the same old responses to the same tired questions, and I told her the truth: “No,” I said “I don’t think I will miss you.”

She told me that I made her feel terrible, that it ruined her day, but what was I supposed to say to her? She asked me a direct question, and I can hide a lot of shame about myself, but one thing that is difficult, almost impossible for me to hide, is how I genuinely feel about you.

If life weren’t such an endless assembly line of misinformation and inauthentic reaction, I would have stood there for a minute and explained that I don’t have enough emotion to miss everybody. I’d miss my sons, my wife, my brothers, my closest friends (and I’m being too literal and and asshole, I know. This is what you deal with if you know me…and if you take the time to understand me, I will be loyal to you for the rest of my life…), but I’m not going to miss you.

Lost

I turned in my first bit of my novel to the workshop group. I didn’t qualify it with any critical commentary, because I can’t stand when writers do that. Students I can tolerate because they are scared of just about everything — especially sharing their writing with others. I’m scared, too, but I know no other way to try and bust out of this post-MFA funk than by putting it out there to get obliterated.

I’m absolutely lost, though. When I do readings I read stuff I wrote a year or more ago. I have no confidence anymore. In writing this garbage now, I’m hoping to work my way back somewhere — maybe a place when a Greywolf Press executive editor would sit with me and discuss how great my work was over breakfast, while my MFA peers looked on in palpable hatred. I want to work to get toward a place of confidence again.

The novel pieces total about seven thousand words now. I know there’s a story there.

On Procrastination

I teach at a prep school, so when vacations come, they come in a nice row of days off. So I got up early today, took the kids to daycare, got a coffee at Starbucks (had to wait for the coffee…had to wait for coffee…at STARBUCKS), came home, took the garbage out, let the dog in, read an encouraging email from my wife, who doesn’t teach at a prep school so she’s working today…and tomorrow, went up to my office with the laptop that is always flickering its internet connection — because it runs Windows Vista — and played solitaire for a half an hour.

I remembered that I hadn’t taken my eye drops this morning, so I came back downstairs. I have eye drops due to cataract surgery at age 37. For those who secretly read this blog, know me, and talk to me about my health: stop fucking saying, in some variation, “…you’re young to have cataracts, aren’t you?”

I have to wait five minutes between drops so one doesn’t dilute the other. So I looked through the mail on the table, saw that I haven’t paid my Tin House bill yet. Contemplated calling them this morning to renew.

My students are convinced I have ADHD.

Looked at the brochure and registration form for the AWP conference. I actually thought $239 a night for a room was a good deal. I have a nice little few days off around that time, so I was thinking of taking the train down to the City. Yeah, I was thinking of leaving my three children with my wife, so she can be completely miserable for a couple of days. We can’t go anywhere anymore.

Not that we ever went anywhere when we were alone, together. We lived in a graduate community at UNC Chapel Hill, and I think we walked downtown, maybe, ten times. I remember Caribou Coffee, the place with the hot wings, that parking lot — I remember walking around the block a couple of times with her.

I remember being in my bedroom (we had separate bedrooms for a couple of days.) and pounding away at a story I entered in a local contest. I worked on it for days, showed my wife the drafts. The story was terrible, but those are the days I miss. I was completely oblivious to what I was doing wrong, but I was having so much fucking fun doing it.

I put the other drop in my eye. This one stings a little. I went for a follow-up for the surgery. I had missed the first one, then inexplicably stopped the drops. Went to the doctor a few days ago and he tore me a new one. Here it is — the new one. I’m holding it up to the screen, but you can’t see it. The new one says, “You could develop severe eye pressure off the drops, moron, and you could go blind…jackass.”

I awoke to Reading Rainbow this morning. That song goes right through me, “I….can go anywheeeeere…” The show was about a family who are dealing with the patriarch serving jail time in Sing Sing for attempted murder. “I…..can do…..10 to 15 for aggravated assauuuuuuuult.”

Drops done and it’s just you and me. I have the novel broken into pieces on a yellow sheet of paper, folded and stuffed into the pocket of my Moleskine. It’s go time.